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    Welcome to the forum, Ryushin !
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushin
    I don't really like people addressing citizens of China as Chinese.
    I can see your point perfectly. China in the traditional sense has officially 56 nationalities within its borders as follows;

    Han (汉‘° : Hàn Zú)
    Zhuang (‘s‘° : Zhuàng Zú)
    Manchu (满‘° : Mǎn Zú)
    Hui (‰ñ‘° : Huí Zú)
    Miao (•c‘° : Miáo Zú) (Hmong)
    Uygur (维Œá尔‘° : Wéiwúěr Zú)
    Yi (œR‘° : Yí Zú)
    Tujia (“y‰Æ‘° : Tǔjiā Zú)
    Mongol (–֌Ñ° : Měnggǔ Zú)
    Tibetan (åU‘° : Zàng Zú)
    Buyei (•zˆË‘° : Bùyī Zú)
    Dong (侗‘° : Dòng Zú)
    Yao (àô‘° : Yáo Zú)
    Chosen (’©鲜‘° : Cháoxiǎn Zú), meaning Koreans.
    Bai (”’‘° : Bái Zú)
    Hani (™û“ò‘° : Hāní Zú)
    Li (êt‘° : Lí Zú)
    Kazak (™û萨Ž‘° : Hāsàkè Zú)
    Dai (傣‘° : Dǎi Zú, also called Dai Lue, one of the Tai ethnic groups)
    She (畲‘° : Shē Zú)
    Lisu (傈僳‘° : Lìsù Zú)
    Gelao (úi佬‘° : Gēlǎo Zú)
    Lahu (f祜‘° : Lāhù Zú)
    Dongxiang (东乡‘° : Dōngxiāng Zú)
    Va (佤‘° : Wǎ Zú) (Va)
    Sui (…‘° : Shuǐ Zú)
    Naxi (纳¼‘° : Nàxī Zú) (includes the Mosuo (–€žˆ : Mósuō))
    Qiang (㳑° : Qiāng Zú)
    Tu (“y‘° : Tǔ Zú)
    Xibe (锡”Œ‘° : Xíbó Zú)
    Mulao (仫佬‘° : Mùlǎo Zú)
    Kirgiz (žh尔ŽŽy‘° : Kēěrkèzī Zú)
    Daur (达ˆ´尔‘° : Dáwòěr Zú)
    Jingpo (Œi颇‘° : Jǐngpō Zú)
    Salar (ŽTf‘° : Sǎlá Zú)
    Blang (•z˜N‘° : Bùlǎng Zú)
    Maonan (–Ñ“ì‘° : Màonán Zú)
    Tajik (“ƒ‹gŽ‘° : Tǎjíkè Zú)
    Pumi (••Ä‘° : Pǔmǐ Zú)
    Achang (ˆ¢¹‘° : Āchāng Zú)
    Nu (“{‘° : Nù Zú)
    Ewenki (罉·Ž‘° : Èwēnkè Zú)
    Gin (‹ž‘° : Jīng Zú), meaning Vietnamese or Kinh people.
    Jino (Šî诺‘° : Jīnuò Zú)
    De'ang (úºV‘° : Déáng Zú)
    Uzbek (乌Žy别Ž‘° : Wūzībiékè Zú)
    Russ (‰â罗Žz‘° : Éluōsī Zú)
    Yugur (—TŒÅ‘° : Yùgù Zú)
    Bonan (•ÛˆÀ‘° : Bǎoān Zú)
    Monba (门”b‘° : Ménbā Zú)
    Oroqen (ç½伦t‘° : Èlúnchūn Zú)
    Derung (“Æ龙‘° : Dúlóng Zú)
    Tatar (“ƒ“ƒ尔‘° : Tǎtǎěr Zú)
    Hezhen (Šq“N‘° : Hèzhé Zú)
    Lhoba (àâ”b‘° : Luòbā Zú)
    Gaoshan (‚ŽR‘° : Gāoshān Zú).

    To indiscriminately call all individuals of the listed groups IN China "Chinese" would amount to ignorance and nothing else. However as long as they hold a Chinese citizenship, it would be technically correct to call them collectively "Chinese nationals," or individually "a Chinese national" for administrative purposes. In your case, esp. if you consider yourself Korean by blood AND place of residence, you have every right to refuse the labeling of "Chinese" eventhough you might have been born in China. The opposite possibility of an ethnic Han Chinese born outside of China have the choice of declaring oneself Chinese, or foreign-born Han Chinese to be precise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushin
    I'm a korean CHINESE. NOt a chinaman. They should be deem as chinaman or something else.
    As the poster noted above, "Chinaman/Chinamen" is not considered a respectable way of calling a Han Chinese person mainly because Americans looked down upon the early immigrants from China/Southeast Asia and treated them badly for quite some time. That belongs to the shameful racist past of America which tainted a potentially good name, "Chinaman," as in Englishman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushin
    NOTE : I used the word Chinamen because many international articles DON'T show the difference between chinese and chinamen. Many Chinese have been despised by the actions done by China when firstly their ancestors weren't from china.
    That is because the international reporters are ignorant, not sophisticated enough to make a meaningful distinction, but the general readers wouldn't know the difference anyway. It is absolutely mind-blowing how the average reader in the capitalist world is ignorant of China in every way imaginable, so you would be doing a huge service by making these fine distinctions whenever possible, thanks. I would also like to add that the outside world, due to their guilty past of raping China for that past 171 years since the Opium Wars have been so eager to point out how "backward, poor, and savage" China can be. This is also a result of ignorance and guilt, so don't you feel more uncomfortable than you really have to be.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushin
    I think hundreds of years ago, didn't Chinamen invade or attempt invasion on korea before ?
    Well the greatest invaders of Korea were the Mongols 1231-1256; then there were the Manchus in 1627 and 1636, both non Han groups. As for the Han Chinese, two recent invasions would be during the First Sino-Japanese War 1894-1895 and the Korean War 1950-1953. However no invasion from the Han Chinese, the Mongols, or the Manchus ever resulted in the seizure of Korean soverignty and prolonged occupation as in the Japanese invasion 1875 (Kanghwado Incident) -1910 (Annexation of Korea) that lasted another 35 yrs of blood-sucking rape of the Korean nation for 70 years in all.
    Quote Originally Posted by kalaniosullivan

    [T]he Japanese Meiji government dispatched the navy vessel Unyou into the waters off Kanghwa, forcing the Koreans to open fire, then used this attack as a pretext to demand formal treaty negotiations. Although many Choson government officials oppose entering into negotiations with Japan, King Kojong is persuaded by a few to reconcile with Japan and sign the Treaty of Kanghwa. This marks the beginning of Japan's imperialist designs on the Korean peninsula, which would ultimately result in the formal annexation of Korea under Japanese rule in 1910.
    Hence there is ample cause to resent the Yasukuni visits that worship the criminals of the Meiji-Taisho-Showa periods and their victimisation of Korea; the comparison you draw between China and Japan therefore only emphasised the crimes of Imperial Japan in contrast. It is meaningful to note that the first Japanese soldier killed outside of Japan to be enshined in Yaukuni was a sailor who died in the Invasion of Kanghwa Island, Korea, in 1875 on the battleship Unyou (‰_—g†). To Koreans, he was the first Yasukuni criminal to be shot down during unlawful entry to Korean territory. To drum up nationalist sentiments in Imperial Japan, he was also memorialised as a war hero at Yasukuni. Now if modern Japanese contuinue in the Yasukuni policy of Imperial Japan, with Tojo Hideki and about 1,068 WWII war criminals decorated as "war heroes," are Koreans to blame to shout down the Yasukuni visitors such as Mr. Koizumi and those in the photos above ?
    Last edited by lexico; Oct 18, 2005 at 17:42.

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