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    Quote Originally Posted by bossel
    Because they don't trust in the sanity of this great leader in NK.
    There is technology and there is TECHNOLOGY.
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    No reason to worry, then.
    Ha ha but it must be right if Washington says so. At least its not the Project for the New American Century (or is it??)

    Here's another side of the coin:

    Reuters ("NORTH KOREA SAYS HAS "SHOCKING EVIDENCE" OF US PLOT", 2006-04-20) reported that the DPRK has charged the US with counterfeiting its own currency and shifting the blame to Pyongyang. A spokesman for the Ministry of People's Security said in a statement the DPRK had obtained "shocking evidence" Washington and Tokyo are producing false material that gives the impression Pyongyang is a criminal state, the DPRKfs KCNA news agency said late Wednesday. "The CIA secretly enlist(s) experts on counterfeiting notes claimed to be the 'most sophisticated in the world' and invite(s) them to issue lots of fake currencies at 'counterfeit notes printing houses of North Korean-style' operating in U.S. military bases in different parts of the world," the spokesman said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Index
    There is technology and there is TECHNOLOGY.
    Ha ha but it must be right if Washington says so. At least its not the Project for the New American Century (or is it??)
    Here's another side of the coin:
    Reuters ("NORTH KOREA SAYS HAS "SHOCKING EVIDENCE" OF US PLOT", 2006-04-20) reported that the DPRK has charged the US with counterfeiting its own currency and shifting the blame to Pyongyang. A spokesman for the Ministry of People's Security said in a statement the DPRK had obtained "shocking evidence" Washington and Tokyo are producing false material that gives the impression Pyongyang is a criminal state, the DPRKfs KCNA news agency said late Wednesday. "The CIA secretly enlist(s) experts on counterfeiting notes claimed to be the 'most sophisticated in the world' and invite(s) them to issue lots of fake currencies at 'counterfeit notes printing houses of North Korean-style' operating in U.S. military bases in different parts of the world," the spokesman said.
    reuters are also the one got horrible chinese translator and publish news without checking it
    the march 8th case is a great example, March 8th was women's day, so this two blogger "milk pig" ""massage cream" decided to close it down for one day for obvious reason. what reason? you can't tell from english, but if u can read chinese, it become quite obvious, both blog's name contain the word "breast", use such name might be offensive to women, so for women's day...hehe
    Reuter didn't even mention that, or do they really know this fact? prob not..
    they rushed to publish the news said it's blocked, but found it back on the day after..
    I guess it's very hard for Reuters to admit its own mistakes.. hehe
    http://go.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle....k/internetNews
    http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...nbv%5E,00.html

    "innocent till proven guilty" really does not work on news about china

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingo
    reuters are also the one got horrible chinese translator and publish news without checking it [...] decided to close it down for one day for obvious reason. what reason? you can't tell from english, but if u can read chinese, it become quite obvious, both blog's name contain the word "breast", [...] Reuter didn't even mention that, or do they really know this fact? prob not..they rushed to publish the news said it's blocked, but found it back on the day after..
    I don't see your point. Even if Reuters were not aware of the reasons why the blog was shut down, the point of the article is that it was shutdown. The reasons were not the issue, so Reuters did not go into them. I don't think shutting down a blog for containing the word "breast" is justified anyway. Not exactly freedom of expression. If you think that is offensive you are either really naive or too willing to believe the censors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Index
    I don't see your point. Even if Reuters were not aware of the reasons why the blog was shut down, the point of the article is that it was shutdown. The reasons were not the issue, so Reuters did not go into them. I don't think shutting down a blog for containing the word "breast" is justified anyway. Not exactly freedom of expression. If you think that is offensive you are either really naive or too willing to believe the censors.
    it was not shutdown by the government, but the owner closed it for a day... that's a big difference..
    just like the government restrict you walk out the house vs you own decistion to stay at the house for a day.
    I am not saying chinese government didn't do bad things, but we can't accuse them for things they didn't do. and also, u might understand that the western media no different from chinese ones, news are censored, not neccessary the government, but the favor of its reader. A right-wing leaning paper won't publish a left leaning report to piss off it's reader.. just like the story " 50 steps laugh at 100 steps".. (during a battle, the losing side of soldier are running, some stop at 50 steps, some stop at 100 step, do the 50-steper loser have the right to laugh at 100-stepper loser?"). what really matters is the faith of media(not neccessary involve religion) , unfortunately, keep the faith prob means report the truth, and admiting mistakes.. it takes a man to admit a mistake, I am wondering how many man is needed in order to face the truth ..hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingo
    it was not shutdown by the government, but the owner closed it for a day... that's a big difference..
    just like the government restrict you walk out the house vs you own decistion to stay at the house for a day.
    I am not saying chinese government didn't do bad things, but we can't accuse them for things they didn't do. and also, u might understand that the western media no different from chinese ones, news are censored, not neccessary the government, but the favor of its reader. A right-wing leaning paper won't publish a left leaning report to piss off it's reader.. just like the story " 50 steps laugh at 100 steps".. (during a battle, the losing side of soldier are running, some stop at 50 steps, some stop at 100 step, do the 50-steper loser have the right to laugh at 100-stepper loser?"). what really matters is the faith of media(not neccessary involve religion) , unfortunately, keep the faith prob means report the truth, and admiting mistakes.. it takes a man to admit a mistake, I am wondering how many man is needed in order to face the truth ..hehe.
    My friend, you're missing the point. It's all about having a choice. Western media provide choices for their reader. Chinese media provides no alternative to the CCP propoganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godppgo
    My friend, you're missing the point. It's all about having a choice. Western media provide choices for their reader. Chinese media provides no alternative to the CCP propoganda.
    when the choice become a blaming game ...hehe
    which other nation have propoganda? name it..
    china.. cuba, Iran, US..and or should I just ask which nation don't have propoganda?
    don't fell into the self righteous trap just because you have choice, be reasonable and logical might help you, but I can't grantee anything either hehe..
    Last edited by mingo; Apr 28, 2006 at 08:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingo
    don't fell into the self righteous trap just because you have choice
    There is a choice though. Aside from Reuters there are other news agencies available (for example) in English such as Associated Press or AFP (see www.news.yahoo.com). Aljazeera is another one (http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage), or all the other coutless sources (including non-English) available. If you wanted to you could get a decent picture of what was going on.

    Now in regard to the original Reuters article, it states that "because of unavoidable reasons known to all, this blog is now temporarily closed". You can therefore arguably understand why Reuters concluded that the blog had been forcibly shut down, especially in light of other documented cases of government censure in the PRC. Moreover, the blog writer, when questioned by Reuters, gave strange and inconsistent answers such as:

    1. "I really don't want to talk about it. How do I explain this? After Western media report what I say, it will not be the same as what I actually said",

    2. "When I feel the time is suitable, I will speak up"

    3. "We tried the prank to test how foreign media would react"

    4. "I like telling jokes, but this really wasn't a joke and it wasn't meant to deceive everyone"

    So on the surface it would seem like there are two plausible scenarios. One is that the PRC did indeed shut down the blog but then allowed it to open the next day following international attention and criticism. This might explain some of Mr. Wang's statements such as nm. 2 (above) or perhaps even nm. 1.

    Alternatively, Mr. Wang did indeed shut his own blog down as a hoax. In this case, I think you should be criticising him for introducing uncertainty and confusion into the West's perception of the PRC, rather than Reuters who reacted and investigated what was seemingly a case of State internet censure.

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